Savile Row again within the day: Bob Bigg Half 1
Bob Bigg has been a coatmaker all his life, on or round Savile Row. He began an apprenticeship at 16, and over 60 years later remains to be working, overseeing and coaching. He labored with many tailors in these years, together with the well-known Harry Helman and Anthony Sinclair, who was Sean Connery’s tailor.
However the factor I discovered most attention-grabbing about speaking to Bob in regards to the Row within the 60s, 70s and 80s was how totally different it was. It wasn’t dominated by the names we all know now, and there have been was a good bit of shoddy work round. On the plus aspect, it did sound like enjoyable.
After years of listening to Bob’s tales – notably throughout our journey to the Whitcomb & Shaftesbury workshop in India final 12 months (under), which Bob arrange – we lastly made time final week to sit down down and discuss all of them.
PS: Bob, inform us a bit of about what Savile Row was like within the Nineteen Sixties, while you began.
Bob Bigg: Effectively I learnt my commerce in Soho, like most coatmakers did. You began in a workshop there and moved up in case you have been ok. The place I educated was over a brothel, so it was a reasonably vibrant place to work.
I moved to Savile Row once I was 23 on the finish of my apprenticeship. It was a really busy place, you had the blokes known as ‘trotters’ operating up and down the entire time, taking jobs from the tailor to a workshop and again once more. The trotters had large black baggage fabricated from silesia – pocketing – that they carried every little thing in.
What did tailors put on in these days?
There was some very formal dressing round, although it was dying out slowly. Considered one of my favourites was Johnny Reed [cutter at Jarvis & Hamilton]. He’d journey into work in a lightweight linen jacket, maybe some informal trousers. However then he would grow to be work apparel – a shirt with a starched, removable collar, cashmeres [a black cashmere jacket], a white waistcoat and a flower within the buttonhole. Usually a bowler hat.
That collar made you stroll round such as you had your nostril within the air more often than not.
Had been the identical homes on Savile Row as now?
Oh no, Huntsman is the one one which’s nonetheless in the identical place. Dege have been in Clifford Road, Norton’s have been on Conduit Road, Poole’s have been in Cork Road, Davies in Maddox. Hawkes have been in the identical place however Gieves have been on Bond Road. Gieves moved to Previous Burlington Road after they have been bombed by the IRA.
So all these names we consider as being stalwarts of the Row have been scattered across the surrounding streets?
Sure. Anderson’s was on the Row however after all they moved off it. Kilgour was an enormous title however they have been over on Dover Road.
Was Savile Row nonetheless the centre of issues?
Sure it was nonetheless thought to be the centre, however there have been way more tailors generally – in all of the streets round and on each the bottom and higher flooring. So many names have gone. There is a board downstairs at Whitcomb with a listing of all those that was there.
Was it frequent for tailors to have clear succession, for one technology to take over from the subsequent?
No, not likely. They have been often centred round one cutter or proprietor, and after they went the place closed or merged with elsewhere.
With among the homes the possession made a distinction. Anderson & Sheppard was owned by the Rothschilds then, as an example, earlier than Tiny Rowland took them over. He purchased them, so it’s stated, to keep away from Al Fayed from getting them. These two hated one another.
Wanting on the large Savile Row homes now, it’s straightforward to assume the English are good at succession. However truly the impression is distorted as a result of we solely see those which can be left, not all those that closed.
Sure, the one two actually which have gone by successions like which can be Poole’s and Dege.
Who have been seen as the opposite large tailors again then?
JB Johnston’s was large, as was Carr Son & Woor. Lesley & Roberts was probably the most revered, and Harry Helman. Benson Perry & Whitley on Cork Road made for lots of the celebrities, they usually made the fits for Dr No – Ian Fleming and Sean Connery had their fits made there.
When it got here to the subsequent Bond movie, I keep in mind, they wished too many fits and Benson couldn’t do it. So that they went to Anthony Sinclair [with Connery above]. Roger Moore had his fits made there for his first movies too, however then he left. He didn’t prefer it, stated the fits have been garbage. Sinclair was utilizing fusing in some factor again then – one of many first to take action.
It was one of many first locations you labored, proper?
Sure, Sinclair was certainly one of my first jobs. He was on the primary flooring on Conduit Road – the place Tateossian is now – and he had a workshop on the fourth flooring. It was a pleasant arrange.
He was a ache to work for although, the form of individual that might anticipate you to change the sleeves he reduce so they might truly go within the armhole – however then have a go at you later for doing precisely that!
Didn’t you witness an important reconciliation between Connery and Moore?
Oh sure – there was so much within the papers on the time in regards to the two of them being at loggerheads. It was when Moore had simply been made Bond.
I used to be engaged on Cork Road, and there was this ingesting membership not far away, the nineteenth. I acquired a name and somebody stated “come spherical right here Bob, you’ll see the true story”. I went spherical and there was Sean Connery, Roger Moore, Ian Carmichael, Trevor Howard and Kenneth Moore all on the piss.
Who have been seen as the largest celebrities of the day?
David Niven (under) was one of many largest. I made plenty of stuff for him and he was seen as one of the best dressed man round.
He was a really good man too. As soon as I keep in mind he was within the store, and he wanted some small alterations executed – buttons changed possibly. He was outdated by this level, however he made the hassle to go down into the basement and provides the ladies 50 quid to say thanks. It exhausted him to do it, however he wished to.
You see the true character of lots of people in these sorts of environments – how a lot they respect the people who work to make them look good.
Was it an enormous factor for Sinclair to be making for Connery on the time?
Oh sure, it was an enormous deal for him. It didn’t essentially do to go shouting about it although.
Why not?
Effectively you’re nonetheless promoting unique work, and to boast about who it was for wasn’t an excellent look, plus the shopper wouldn’t really feel prefer it was their tailor then.
I’ve had fairly a couple of clients like that through the years. I had a couple of in Palm Seaside who would fly me on the market, once I had my very own operation, however they by no means wished me to say I made for them. Their pals all liked the fits apparently, however they wouldn’t suggest me to anybody else.
Gatekeeping, we’d name it right now.
Precisely, however it didn’t matter as a result of they’d order sufficient, and I’d keep in a single individual’s home – properly I can’t actually name it a home, it was an property. That man was unbelievably rich. I keep in mind him saying as soon as that it was straightforward to be a billionaire – all you wanted was a great-grandfather with a mud farm in Texas that discovered oil!
Had been they educated clients?
Oh sure – to be sincere that’s most likely the largest distinction between tailoring then and now, the sophistication of the shopper.
There’s one thing about the best way I put the shoulders collectively in my fits, individuals at all times appear to say they’re comfy. Effectively, he’d discover if anybody else ever made a swimsuit for him, simply by that tiny distinction in the best way the shoulders felt.
What are the opposite large variations between then and now?
When it comes to the product, the largest change is how a lot ready-made clothes has improved, it’s been enormous. And it’s the commerce’s fault, they by no means actually saved up.
After I first began, there was some actual garbage being turned out. Some makers have been fairly poor, and the ending was tough. However clients didn’t actually have a alternative – there was no good various.
Johnny Reed (above), for instance had very excessive requirements, and he discovered this nice finisher to do his work. One buyer refused to just accept the buttonholes weren’t executed by machine, and he needed to take the shopper spherical to the workshop to show it, they have been so neat.
Some ending was actually poor again then, it seemed like spiders had been throughout them.
So are requirements right now a lot larger?
Completely, it’s solely the excessive finish that’s left now. The center and decrease finish of the market, that’s what’s gone.
It’s a bit like women couture, simply not as excessive. Again then many women had issues made couture, and it was costly – a top-end skirt may cost a little £600 [over £8000 today]. However there was no various. Now it’s solely that very prime finish that’s left.
That’s reassuring I feel, as a result of some readers will assume that issues have been higher prior to now, after they examine all of the Savile Row historical past and so forth. Was material higher prior to now too?
Effectively not higher in plenty of methods – there was nothing superb. However material was left to hold round longer. Yarn could be spun after which sit round for a 12 months. The material could be woven and it’d sit for an additional 12 months. Now, as they are saying, it’s straight from the sheep’s again to the slicing board.
That’s what’s known as London set, or London shrunk generally – what impact does it have on the fabric?
It makes it denser and drier typically. It’s not for everybody, lots of people gained’t prefer it. Nevertheless it does have a novel character and it tailors very properly. You’ll be able to actually work it with the iron, shrink it and form it. It’s value making an attempt a while.
Thanks Bob, I even have one thing on the best way in a classic piece, it will likely be attention-grabbing to attempt.
Half 2 of this interview, tentatively titled ‘Bespoke, booze and babes!’ shall be revealed subsequent week.
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